Fallout3

[Ktav]

o galerie cu imagini din proiectul Van Buren: http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=3 (vedeti ca au aparut unele noi)

[Fallen]

kewl pics
desi cam rar apar poze noi ... :-S ... cateva la interval de luni de zile ... :-S ... in ritmul asta ... pana in 2008 ne facem o idee vaga despre cum va fi jocul ...

[himself]

Nu e din jocul care va aparea de la bethesda! E din Van Buren, proiectul pe care il avea Black Isle inainte sa decedeze (Blessed by thy holy name)

[doro69]

Pai da, dar se zvoneste PUTERNIC cum ca cei de la Beth vor urma indeaproape proiectul Van Burden, cel putin eu sper

[himself]

From your mouth to God's Ears!

Asa sa fie!

[toro]

doro69 wrote:

Pai da, dar se zvoneste PUTERNIC cum ca cei de la Beth vor urma indeaproape proiectul Van Burden, cel putin eu sper

nu vreau sa f*t partida, dar bethesda o aruncat la gunoi tot ce tzine de Van Buren...

for info check this:  www.nma-fallout.com -> Fallout 3 -> Is there Hope?

and read this:

So we can assume that whatever work was done over at Black Isle on Fallout 3 -- the "Van Buren" project -- is not being used?
Pete Hines: It's a little too early to talk about whether we'd be using any assets.

When VanBuren was shut down by Interplay, the development team at Black Isle was already well into development. What resources, if any, are you going to be salvaging?
Pete Hines: I don't know what assets we'll be using from any previous projects.

As a followup to the above, will you be using Black Isle's original Fallout 3 design document?
Pete Hines: I don't know if anyone in our office has seen that design document and how much of it we'd use or not use. Again, too early to say.

So are you working with the previous Interplay "Van Buren" assets and developers, or are you starting from scratch with a new engine and assets?
Pete Hines: Too early to talk about that kind of thing.

Will Bethesda's Fallout 3 retain any elements of the "Van Buren" game that was in development at Black Isle Studios? Reports are that it was nearly complete.
Todd Howard: No, we're going to start fresh.

asha precum se vede, or sa inceapa fresh, ceea ce inseamna ca s-au dus draqu toate screenshot-urile din Van Buren... i know, life sucks sometimes..

[himself]

You never know! Cate lucruri s-au spus si s-au schimbat pe parcurs.....

[toro]

deoarece suntetzi romani, stiu ca va place durerea, asha ca meditatzi la fraza asta:

Pete Hines: Yes. We've licensed the rights to Fallout 3 as well as sequels -- Fallout 4, Fallout 5.

ps. nu cred ca bethesda sunt asha de amatori incat sa faca afirmatzii gratuite... e vorba  totushi de cei care produc Fallout 3...

[himself]

Pai din cate stiu io aia e procedura! Adica pun pariu ca cineva are licenta pe Baldur's Gate 3, Icewind Dale 3, Planescape Torment 2, chiar daca jocurile nu au aparut si nici nu sunt asteptate intr-un viitor pre apropiat pentru ca altfel m-as duce io si as inregistra Baldur's Gate 3 si as scoate un joc ca vai de capu lui da totusi e BALDUR'S GATE 3!

[toro]

da omule, dar uita-te shi tu cu ce planuri pleaca asthia la drum...:hmm:

parerea mea, Bethesda trebuia sa-i angajeze pe cei de la ex-Black Isle ca sa termine Van Buren, ceea ce ii ridica la rangul de sfintzii shi eventual puteau sa dezvolte shi jocul lor FPS/RPG folosind licentza Fallout, in felul acesta, toata lumea era mega-multumita...
sincer, imi pare rau ca nu o sa mai vad un joc Fallout izometric...asta este

[himself]

SI cine a zis ca o nu o sa fie izometric? Doamne cat de enervanti poti sa fiti!

[toro]

fallout 3 o sa foloseasca engine-ul de la Oblivion care numai izometric nu este, shi deshi  a adapta un engine 3D la un punct de vedere izometric este perfect posibil, e la mintea cocoshului ca Bethesda o sa-l faca first-person view, motive:

1. zi-mi un joc bethesda care este izometric?
nici macar primul lor joc The Elder Scrolls: Arena nu este izometric...

2. de ce te-ai multumi cu o vedere izometrica cand ai un engine performant shi optimizat pentru vedere FP?

uite ce declara shi ei:

Will the game be using the faux-2D viewpoint that Black Isle had planned, or do you think you'll be doing something closer to Morrowind?
Pete Hines: Too early to say for sure, but my guess is we'll want to use technologies that are already being developed, rather than start all over with something new/different, or a style of game that isn't really what we do well.

Finally, will Fallout 3 be from a first- or third-person perspective like the Morrowind series, or isometric, like its predecessors?
Pete Hines: Too early to say, but I imagine it'll probably lean towards using technology that we're developing.

Morrowind was a first-person, real-time, action RPG. Fallout and its sequel were isometric-view, third-person, turn-based RPGs. What will Fallout 3 be?
Todd Howard: Too early to say. We're looking at many options.

poate ca exagerez, dar sunt destul de sigur ca Fallout 3 o sa fie FP, ceea ce nu e neaparat rau... insa din punct de vedere al seriei ash prefera Van Buren...

[Daemian]

Daca va fi 3D / 3rd person (gen Morrowind) pentru mine nu va fi Fallout 3! Asa cum Prince of Persia a fost reinventat cand a fost facut Sands of Time, asa va fi si cu Fallout-ul; va fi un remake al unui joc de succes, dar asta nu inseamna ca nu-l voi juca. Poate ca va fi bun si asa, dar n-are cum sa ma atraga asa cum au facut-o primele 2 intr-o astfel de perspectiva. (but that's just me)  ;)  

[Ktav]

ar fi misto sa fie primul joc care are si vedere 1st person si top-down view, da implementate calumea pt ambele vederi

[doro69]

jocul o sa fie izometric si numai izometric, nu o sa faca o firma ca Beth o greseala asa mare incat sa schimbe 90% din feelingul Fallout.
Sunt sigur ca atunci cand o sa apara F3 o sa fie in mare parte asa:
view bird`s eye, 3d graphics
turn based
muzica neschimbata

Astea sunt primele detalii care imi vin in minte. Repet, Beth e o firma mult prea mare ca sa faca greaseala de a schimba radical seria Fallout. O schimbare de genul FP o sa fie o palma imensa data peste obrazul celor de la Beth. Daca exista o comunitate care tine la integritatea jocului lor, atunci aceasta este comunitatea fanilor Fallout!

Din cate stiu eu Beth NU a cumparat drepturile pentru seria Fallout ci numai pentru F3.

[himself]

fallout 3 o sa foloseasca engine-ul de la Oblivion care numai izometric nu este, shi deshi  a adapta un engine 3D la un punct de vedere izometric este perfect posibil, e la mintea cocoshului ca Bethesda o sa-l faca first-person view, motive:

1. zi-mi un joc bethesda care este izometric?
nici macar primul lor joc The Elder Scrolls: Arena nu este izometric...

2. de ce te-ai multumi cu o vedere izometrica cand ai un engine performant shi optimizat pentru vedere FP?

uite ce declara shi ei:

Will the game be using the faux-2D viewpoint that Black Isle had planned, or do you think you'll be doing something closer to Morrowind?
Pete Hines: Too early to say for sure, but my guess is we'll want to use technologies that are already being developed, rather than start all over with something new/different, or a style of game that isn't really what we do well.

Finally, will Fallout 3 be from a first- or third-person perspective like the Morrowind series, or isometric, like its predecessors?
Pete Hines: Too early to say, but I imagine it'll probably lean towards using technology that we're developing.

Morrowind was a first-person, real-time, action RPG. Fallout and its sequel were isometric-view, third-person, turn-based RPGs. What will Fallout 3 be?
Todd Howard: Too early to say. We're looking at many options.

poate ca exagerez, dar sunt destul de sigur ca Fallout 3 o sa fie FP, ceea ce nu e neaparat rau... insa din punct de vedere al seriei ash prefera Van Buren...

Amandoua argumentele sunt slabe de tot! Intrebare:
De ce pentru Pirates of The Carribean nu a folosit Bethesda Net Immers-ul (engine-ul din Morrowind) ci a facut altul nou (STorm2)? Pentru ca daca nu stiati Beth a facut Enginme-ul Storm2!
Si faza ca nu a facut jocuri izometrice....no comment! Black Isle a facut numai jocuri IZOMETRICE! Insa a se vedea ca atunci cand au ajuns la Obsidian primul lor joc a fost 3rd person (KoTOR II)

[Ktav]

alte poze: http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15714

[doro69]

auch! *sniff
si cand ma gandesc ca acum ma puteam juca Fallout3

edit: pentru cineva care nu apreciaza chiar asa mult fallout si izometria, esti destul de interesat de fostul proiect si de actualul copil a lui beth :p

[Ktav]

ee, pai doar sunt admin, e normal sa postez orice e interesant pt comunitate, nu? daca o sa'l faca 1st/3rd p. o sa fiu primu care il joaca :hit:

sincer si daca ar fi top-down view (nwn) ar fi excelent...

[doro69]

"Josh E. Sawyer, who you may remember as a developer for the Van Buren project, has a nifty new interview with RPGCodex. All sorts of interesting information and quite a bit about Sawyer's take on Van Buren.

   4. Moving on, next stop - Black Isle's Fallout 3, you are the lead designer again. What was your vision for the game? Where you were going to take the series and would your vision fit into the setting, the feel, the style of the first two games?

   Not to speak too much for Chris Avellone, but we both agreed that Fallout 3 shouldn't feel like the world was really getting better. In fact, we wanted to make it feel like it was getting worse. Any infrastructure that groups like NCR had built up had become corrupted and was boiling with the nastier aspects of human social organization: tyranny, war, graft, intolerance -- all that good stuff.

   NCR had been totally corrupted by the caravan houses. The Brotherhood of Steel was falling apart and rife with desperation and paranoia. A megalomaniacal tribal despot had risen from the ranks of the Followers of the Apocalypse. The Mormons of New Canaan were divided on issues of religious acceptance and racial biases. Even the remaining super mutants had to deal with a new problem: their impending extinction.

   Would BIS' Fallout 3 have fit into the style of the first two? Sure! Yeah, it would have been great! Best ever! Of course I think it did, but I know a lot of people had big problems with the system changes I was making and with the inclusion of groups like the Mormons.

13. Long time ago, answering a question about the future of RPGs at NMA, you said that they are going "straight to hell" and that "Troika is one of the last pure PC RPG developer in the U.S." How would you answer the same question today?

To my knowledge there are no pure PC RPG developers left outside of very small outfits like Spiderweb Software."

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